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Post by username on Apr 29, 2019 17:11:26 GMT -6
Living Construct: A Promethean is immune to the effects of Fatigue, Poison, and Disease. They are not subject to the same frailties as their fleshy companions. They also have no need to Eat, Drink, Sleep, or Breathe though they can still do so if they want. Because a Promethean has a Pyros Reactor instead of a heart, they cannot benefit from a Bionic Heart or any of the artifact versions. Really didn't want to do this, but for the sake of shutting everyone up... Is that a needed change though? You'd also run into issue of what exactly is an effect of the fatigue or poison or disease. A can of worm is getting closed by opening a bigger can.
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Post by Traskus on Apr 29, 2019 19:26:57 GMT -6
This is the part where I call for children of silence to become a number of minion SQUADS rather than individuals being capped. Consider that you do need to go around digging up the corpses, so its not INSTANT mobs, plus their efficiency is still leveled. It also needs an action type regardless. I don't know enough about wraiths to comment, but I feel like this needs more deliberation than simple wording changes or clarifications. Anyone else wanna get in on this? Really didn't want to do this, but for the sake of shutting everyone up... Is that a needed change though? You'd also run into issue of what exactly is an effect of the fatigue or poison or disease. A can of worm is getting closed by opening a bigger can. This is a point. Sorry for not noticing before. For a balance thread it doesn't feel like a balance choice. I can obviously be wrong, of course. I'd like to see someone other than a same old face comment on the matter, unlikely as that might be.
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Post by accidentalbystander on May 4, 2019 18:22:46 GMT -6
Possible fix revised Promethean: "A Promethean is immune to Poison, Disease, and the effects of Fatigue..." I'm assuming "the effects of Fatigue" are the ones listed in the section in Book 1 (i.e. -1k0 on all Tests when Fatigue > 1, lose consciousness when Fatigue > Constitution), so the way this fix is worded the Fatigue counter can tick upwards for whatever Fatigue is useful for (mostly Luminen Charge/Blast costs) but you don't take the penalty or fall unconscious. Also sidesteps the issue of what the effects of Poison and Disease are.
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Post by GuardianTempest on May 4, 2019 18:55:45 GMT -6
I'm okay with that, although dumb question: how would it disappear, even if it doesn't affect the promethean? Who knows, maybe there's an NPC monster that deals more wounds equal to the amount of fatigue you have or something.
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Post by Traskus on May 22, 2019 19:49:36 GMT -6
"A Promethean may use abilities that require taking levels of fatigue without gaining fatigue."
I worry what having an infinite generator for your luminen charge would do to the game, but that's another discussion.
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Post by ScrapyardDragon on May 23, 2019 10:29:42 GMT -6
This is probably the least abuseble way to do it that still defines what they can and cannot do. being immune to the effects of fatigue but still building it opens ways to use that fatigue. I can't think of what they could be off-hand, but some madman would likely figure it out.
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Post by Traskus on Aug 16, 2019 21:24:25 GMT -6
Suggestion: change be a man to account for high pressure.
Spitball: Can wraithbone prometheans spend pyros to heal outside of combat? Should that be a thing they can do?
Thoughts? Concerns?
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Post by Amanojyaku on Aug 16, 2019 22:12:03 GMT -6
Shouldn't need to account for High Pressure, unless you've seen that one taken enough times it may as well be mandatory? Legendary Characteristic was awkward because it seemed to be expected you'd take it.
And I'm pretty sure the intent behind Wraithbone is that you can spend Pyros to heal? Might just need to strike out the "as a free action" bit and just say "can spend Pyros to recover Hit Points."
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Post by Traskus on Aug 17, 2019 16:36:30 GMT -6
My concern is that it only gives you 3*excellence and anything past that is wasted, while high pressure gets you +level pressure. RaW it's a waste of an asset.
Sounds good. I'll be back in a few hours so people can make objections before I edit.
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Post by Lestat on Aug 18, 2019 14:31:12 GMT -6
I only approve of something High Pressure being reworded if it is the smallest change possible with "The initial and maximum number of a Paragon's Pressure Points is increased by their level.". Revised Exaltations should match the tone of the original books, and if an ability is worded simply it should remain as simple as possible.
Adding the ability for Prometheans to use Pyros to heal in all forms would be a mechanical change, and removing the ability for them to do it as a free action would be a nerf. For Warmachine's healing asset I've worded it as allowing both normal use, and use as a free action. I wouldn't bother changing anything for revised Promethean, but if I did I would only add the ability to use them normally, not take away the ability to use them instantly.
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Post by ScrapyardDragon on Nov 23, 2019 21:31:02 GMT -6
Read as Written nothing stops you from disarming a promethean's integrated weapons, because the power doesn't say that it CAN'T happen. Curiously the same theoretically applies to the ballistic mechadendrite by the same principal.
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Post by Traskus on Nov 27, 2019 22:27:55 GMT -6
Edited paragon's wordings for pressure points to account for high pressure. Raw should make sense now.
Only took 2,452 hours and 51 minutes.
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Post by GuardianTempest on Oct 10, 2021 5:09:10 GMT -6
What happens if the Ghost dice provide both a 10 and a 1? Would it cancel each other out?
Also, a suggestion: Blood of Tiamat shouldn't be able to copy Adamic Dragon elements, as otherwise what would be the point of them?
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Post by Amanojyaku on Oct 10, 2021 5:15:15 GMT -6
Adamic Dragon is the only way to gain access to Adamic Dragon quickenings.
Blood of Tiamat does not give access to another exaltation asset, no matter how pained your attempted reading.
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Post by Traskus on Jul 24, 2022 11:17:49 GMT -6
So proboards decided to eat the list of benefits from revised maximum dragoning.
I think these are correct.
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